Be in your place, guest post

Following is a reblog of a post by Joanne in 2014. Timeless truth more needed today than ever!!

Be in your place

Monday, August 25, 2014, Joanne

I have learned a lot about submission and the woman’s place ever since I began following the Lord, but know I have so far to go. For any who have followed my posts over the years I’m sure you have noticed the changes, or maybe you have not. Whatever the case, I have and I am thankful to the Lord for his mercy and patience. I am also thankful for his grace that continues to shape and refine me. He will do the same for you too… IF you want him to … but you must have a sincere desire to be in your God-given place.

When I first started following the Lord I was so excited to be free from the sins I was living in. Yes, I had to forsake the sin, but when I finally decided to do that there was such a light feeling … a release from the bondage I was in. I was hyped up and ready to share truths with anyone who would listen – because surely they wanted to hear, right? Among other things, this blog was certainly one place where I could share the truths I saw in the scriptures.

Over the years I began to learn the true place of a woman, and it’s certainly not out in public preaching to any and all who will hear / read / listen. The scriptures are so clear: we are to be in submission to our head, be it our husband, father, pastor, etc. A woman without a head is out of order, plain and simple. A woman who is not in proper submission is not right with the Lord.

It is NOT our place to be in the public view teaching things that are for men to teach. Yes, we may share truths pertaining specifically to women, but we may never try to convince a woman of truths beyond those basic things. What things? Conveniently, we have somewhat of a list in Titus 2:

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Titus 2

We must first be an example. We cannot teach these things if we do not live them ourselves. Our actions speak so much louder than our words. 

I realize there are a lot of posts on my blog that are NOT in line with what a woman ought to be sharing with other women. Several months ago (or a year already? I don’t know) I seriously considered deleting them all, however after some counsel from brothers I deleted some but left many. I appreciate seeing them there as a reminder of where I have come from and how far I have yet to go.

Women getting together in groups is very dangerous. How often have women gathered together, talked about doctrines or other spiritual matters beyond what is their proper place and little seeds been planted which cause one woman or another (or many) to go against what their husbands believe? If this is you, you could be fostering their rebellion!  The easiest thing we could do is just avoid these situations all together. Do not allow yourself to be in a group of women who are talking doctrine and such. If it comes up, simply walk away; leave the conversation. If there is an opportunity, try to change the subject to something fitting for women. If it seems necessary, find a way to humbly share that the group conversation is stepping where it should not be stepping. Sincere lovers of the truth will appreciate knowing they are stepping in to an area that is not pleasing to the Lord or their heads.

There are countless numbers of women, all righteous in their own eyes, who see nothing wrong with stepping above their husbands and doing their own thing because they see something in the scriptures that their husband does not. This puts the woman above her man, making her the head instead of him. But what does the bible say?

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:3 

In several places we are told to submit to our husbands [or head]. We are even told in 1 Peter 3 that we can actually win our disobedient husbands to the truth by our actions alone (no words needed). The key is: submission and being meek, quiet, chaste. These are the things we must be focused on. We could have all of our doctrines and theologies correct but if we are not in our proper place none of our beliefs will matter. The Lord is looking for a meek and quiet woman. He says this is what is of great value to him. 

An example would be: maybe you meet a woman that is not covering her head. Do not automatically assume she is going against the bible; it could just be that it is her heart’s desire to cover her head but her husband believes it is not necessary. If you try to convince her to cover her head contrary to what her husband believes and desires for HIS wife, then you are encouraging her to be rebellious against her husband. That is his wife, not yours. It is always safe and pleasing to the Lord to encourage women to be in their place.

Not too long ago I was visiting ‘back home’ and a woman asked me why I dressed the way I was dressed. This led in to her asking more about my testimony and then she said, “So do you believe ______?” The subject of her question does not matter. The point is, she wanted to talk doctrine and it was a particular belief that I hold and my ‘head’ does not. This brought up a wonderful opportunity to speak to her about submission – a much more fitting subject for women to be talking about and encouraging each other in. 

We must be careful! To say anything contrary against our ‘head’ is probably the most disrespectful thing we could do. God hates this! And you will be judged by it if you do not repent. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, he is your head and you are his helper. Your job is to help him be the man God wants him to be. You be the women God wants you to be by being in your proper place. Do not dishonor him. Lift him up!

Let us encourage married women to submit to their husbands, single women still at home to submit to their fathers, and single women on their own to submit to their elder / pastor.

Is the heart divided?

A common misconception regarding polygyny is that a man cannot love more than one woman. This common objection has caused me to spend a good bit of time puzzling over how this is supposed to work and why God allows what seems an inequity. Recently, a solid answer has come into view.

In my early research and conversations regarding polygyny, I often heard the illustration that a man or woman can have a child that they love so much that they think they could never love another the same way. Then, a second child comes along and they love that one just as much and somehow their heart is not divided between the two, but the love is multiplied. And, it happens again with a third and so forth.

It makes sense, but, how?

Originally, I thought the hearts of men and women function a bit differently. However, recent studies in a related area suddenly explained it as I realized that the hearts of men and women are the same. What I was not accounting for was a key factor: God’s created order.

Recall, 1 Corinthians 11:3 is our clear and concise guiding verse that reveals:

God <- Messiah <- man <- woman

Culturally, we are ingrained with an idea of equality between men and women and an assumption that mutual love and respect are due. Such is not the case according to Scripture. I will address this momentarily.

Here’s a chart that we can use for illustration in our discussion.

Barring a sinful case of favoritism, we culturally assume that a woman with two or more children can love and treat fairly more than one child, yet somehow assume a man cannot do the same for more than one woman. We believe a man can love multiple children in fullness and fairness, yet believe that he cannot do the same for more than one woman.

The error committed by both culture and the monogamy only mindset is that the relationship between man and woman is based in equality, however, God’s created order says otherwise.

Notice in our illustration that Messiah loves, provides for, and protects multiple covenant relationships with men. Men, likewise, have the ability to love protect and provide for more than one covenantal relationship.

Interestingly, in the illustration, everyone has only one master! All can have one or more subordinates. And, therein is the solution!!

A woman who is expecting her head to love her exclusively as she loves her head/husband exclusively, is violating the headship model and order. The relationship between man and woman, even in a monogamous relationship is not parallel or mirrored.

We, as humans, are hardwired to understand that we cannot have two masters! Therefore, a woman’s understanding of her love for her husband does not take into account her innate understanding that he is her master and therefore must be singular. She cannot, therefore, comprehend that while she can only love one master, he can have and love more than one woman in the same way she can have and love more than one child.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Matthew 6:24

Yeshua is saying a man cannot serve God and an idol, however, the principle of serving two masters holds!

Simply, man is created to respect and serve Messiah, while he is also created to be fruitful and multiply!! In the created order and in his hard-wiring, he is fully equipped to serve One and love more than one.

Woman, in like manner, is created to respect and serve her husband while tending to and caring for a bevvy of children. In her hard-wiring, she can only serve one master, but love many children.

Now, returning to the second illustration.

In the world, man and woman are generally regarded as co-equals, not demonstrated in the illustration above. But, the assumption is that ‘love’ is due in both directions. In truth, Scripture commands respect from woman to her husband while the man is commanded to LOVE the woman. Ephesians 5:23-33 most clearly points this difference in calling/role out while parallelling the image of Messiah and the Qahal/ Assembly..

Man and woman are a parallel picture of Messiah and the Assembly. Respect/reverence flows up, love flows down.

22 Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,…33 Nevertheless, as for you individually, each husband is to love his own wife the same as himself, and the wife must see to it that she reverences her husband.

Ephesians 5, select

A final thought, regarding a man loving his wives equally… Besides the fact that at no point is perfect equality or fairness ever commanded, each woman’s wants and needs can and do vary in a relationship. There is an ebb and flow.

Following is an insightful quote that addresses the necessary maturing of a man’s heart as he leads and guides his family.

Most men believe in plural marriage that they can love all wives the same or more than one; in theory that’s the goal but the heart needs time to be matured and trained to see that a man needs all his wives and not feel guilty about the ebb and flows of a heart. Like monogamy I believe a man can divide his heart in love but its not an instant thing or the second I’m called to plural marriage thing. If the heart is tender and led by the Ruach it does happen but don’t be disappointed if its not instant.

Moshe Koniuchowsky

I think what I wrote above helps to understand how the individual relationships with each woman will ebb and flow, but the man, if he is walking as Messiah, he will seek to treat each woman as the unique and special creation that she is with specific and unique needs and wants that she has. He must do so in balance, according to the time and resources Yah has given him, but he cannot be constrained by a possessive expectation that he ‘belongs to’ one or another woman. They have no claim over him. Only Messiah!

This is challenging territory, but it is important to grasp so that we can orient our lives according to the ways of Messiah and the Torah that will rule the Kingdom of kol Israel.

Shalom!!

How Should a Woman Pray for Her Man?

Recently I was asked, ‘In light of God’s authority structure, and recognizing that God will not violate His own structure, is it okay for my woman to pray for me or over me?’

In Christendom, the immediate answer is , ‘Of course!’ But, the question gave me pause to think. I considered various implications and scenarios which led to this article, Suzerain-Vassal Relationships in God’s Authority Structure, published on natsab.

Continue reading “How Should a Woman Pray for Her Man?”

Men Deal With Men…

An interesting blog post crossed my feed the other day. At least the first half of it was really interesting, more on that in a minute….

The following (half) post copied from Move From This Mountain has some valuable pieces of insight regarding headship and patriarchy. Of particular interest is the author’s assertion, which I believe correct, that men must deal with men. Or, put another way – Men innately know that women do not have authority over them.

Continue reading “Men Deal With Men…”

Covered = protected

Recently my bride and I were watching a video series about homesteading and farming. The farmer made a statement a couple times similar to “mother earth doesn’t like to be naked so we need to cover her up”. He proceeded to talk about the different types of covering that he uses on his homestead and how if he doesn’t actively cover the ground then unwanted coverings end up happening such as weeds or wild grass etc… My bride paused the video and said “you know I just realized that all covering is about protection”.  

A lot of parallels can be drawn between the relationship of a man with his woman and the farmer and his field. I have touched on this subject in the past.  Recall, the literal physical head covering that a woman wears is symbolic of her submission to her head (man) who is in a place of protection and authority over her. When she is properly covered by a righteous man she will not be vulnerable to “unsavory” coverings such as men (weeds) who would only attempt to use and or abuse her for selfish reasons. When she is properly covered she will bring forth fruit that is valuable to her man (farmer).  In a corollary thought, uncovered land will erode and be destroyed, where well tended land that has a proper cover will thrive and actually become richer soil over time.

The significance of covering is evidenced in a very literal physical sense with children but also in a spiritual and emotional sense. A righteous man as covering will produce a righteous harvest, where unrighteous covering, like weed infested land, will produce unrighteous children and spiritual and emotional chaos.

“..I do not allow a woman to teach…”

Few things Paul said will set people’s teeth on edge faster than 1 Timothy 2:12. We live in a western culture that has become so feminized that patriarchy is hated, masculinity is considered ‘toxic’ and breathing some passages of Scripture in the wrong audience might get you shanked! This passage is one that requires a fire retardant suit, even in some Torah circles! But, truth is truth.

12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

1 Timothy 2:12

The obvious immediate question is, ‘Where does that come from in Torah? Show me the commandment that says ‘thou shalt not’, or ‘thou shalt’…’ And, this is true, there is no such command, but there is ample instruction that is quite clear. Let’s dig in…