A Jew who believes in Yeshua is still a Jew!!

Why is the Messianic Jewish community persecuted by religious organizations?
Does the faith in the Jewish Jesus of Nazareth causes them to switch to another religion?

Pray for our brothers in Israel who are persecuted for believing in Yeshua!  Pray also for this

Author: Pete Rambo

Details in 'About' page @ natsab.wordpress.com Basically, husband of one, father of four. Pastor x 11 years, former business and military background. Micro-farmer. Messianic believer in Yeshua haMashiach!

2 thoughts on “A Jew who believes in Yeshua is still a Jew!!”

  1. Pete, the name or title of “Jew” is much more complicated than you suggest.
    In KJV, the first mention of Jew is in the seige of Jerusalem in the time of Hezekiah/Isaiah. Then, it referred to the language of the southern House of “Israel” (Judah, which included Benjamin, Levi, and possibly Simeon). Later, after the Babylonic captivity, in the time of Esther, many of Babylon/Media-Persia BECAME Jews. Note the groups of nations then.

    After Babylon, only a small number (about 45,000) returned to the land, again only of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi.

    After the reign of the Maccabees, about 130BC, the whole of Edom was forcibly converted to Judaism, and all of the male Edomites were circumcised. The Herod line was completely Edomite, Jews, but not Israelite in any sense. (Yes, I know, after 3 generations etc). It was the Romans who forced a ruler “not of your brethren” over them.

    Much later, Koestler talks of the Ashkenazi as the thirteenth tribe (he could not count, there were already thirteen tribes, but only 12 tribes of inheritance – Levi did not count) and suggests that they were a part of one of the people exiled, probably by Babylon, or a whole nation that converted to Judaism.

    Since then, people become Jews. Modern Jewish inheritance is through the FEMALE line, which is totally non-scriptural. Even today, there are many non-Israelite conversions to Judaism.

    The biggest present problem in the land can be worked out by a careful reading of that one chapter prophet, Obadiah.

    Edom has always wanted the land, right back to the time of Jacob. Look carefully at the politics of modern Israel. The Jews in the land are in two very clear and distinct groups – those who want the land at any cost, and those who only want to live in their own land in peace. (Just for the record, I note that the Gaza Strip is almost identical with that part of the inheritance of Judah that was never taken by the Israelites.)

    As I see it, Jewish tradition from the Edomite view is against anything that will take Edom from its desired control and ownership of the land. Again, to me, it is Edomites who are causing the persecution of Jews who come to accept Jesus as Messiah. Reading Obadiah carefully, it is my (personal) interpretation that, when the invasion/major attack on the land comes from the north, the Edomites will be obliterated. At about that time, Judah and Israel (the two houses) will go up to Jerusalem TOGETHER, weeping.

    Two of the major portending signs are already in place. The Euphrates is down to less than 30% of its old, regular flow (Turkey is taking the water for irrigation) and the Suez Canal has already dried up once. And, irrelevant, but it may be important, the Jews, contrary to international agreements that they made, are taking 90% of the water from the Jordan for irrigation, instead of the 50% agreed to. So guess why the Dead Sea is now about 15 meters (50 feet) below its 1948 level?


    1. I understand, but if you watched the film, or even pursued the link for the body who made it and used Google Translate to get an idera about them, the ‘general’ term, Jew, as it refers to those generally recognised by the world as Jews, is correct. This is a film by Jews who believe in Messiah asking their brothers who persecute them in Israel some challenging questions. It is another voice bringing about the restoration and open dialog about Yeshua IN the land… That is positive, even if we can challenge on semantics.

      Sometimes, peace, for the sake of the kingdom, is the route we need to take… 😉

      You write clearly the many issues involved in a little space… In the end, Yeshua Himself will have to sort out the finer points. Or, we’ll all end end up in the crucible of the Great Tribulation and willingly embrace our brothers letting bygones be bygone.

      Shalom, my friend!


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