Completed Christian?

If a ‘completed Jew’ has found


what does that make a Christian who has found


Revelation 12:17 says, Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12 says, This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Author: Pete Rambo

Details in 'About' page @ Basically, husband of one, father of four. Pastor x 11 years, former business and military background. Micro-farmer. Messianic believer in Yeshua haMashiach!

9 thoughts on “Completed Christian?”

  1. If the Christian “finds” Torah, then they shed the Christian skin, put on the mind of Yeshua and become an Israelite by being grafted in to that family!


    1. Agreed! The mind of Yeshua IS the mind of God, revealed in the Torah! When we are grafted in we are indeed members of the commonwealth of Israel, members of the household of faith, fellow citizens and partakers of the covenants.



  2. Jesus Christ himself is the Word that speaks through Torah. Whether or not the ‘discovery of Torah’ is good for a Christian or not depends entirely on whether he is the truth they see in it. We are not under the law; the commandments to be kept are the love of God and one’s neighbor.


    1. Steve,

      Shalom and welcome!

      If indeed

      Jesus Christ himself is the Word that speaks through Torah

      and, He is ‘the same yesterday and today and forever,’

      then, He still speaks through Torah!

      As to being ‘under the Law,’ you might consider this:


      the commandments to be kept are the love of God and one’s neighbor

      is taken from Matthew 22:34-40. Besides the fact that those two commandments come straight out of the Torah, Yeshua declares that they are summations of ‘the whole Law and the Prophets.’ Keeping them does not negate the rest. Rather, the rest define how to keep these two! For example, the United States has a Constitution as the foundation for our law. (Set aside for a moment the fact that it is regularly violated by our legal system…) Other laws define how to keep the Constitution. The Constitution does not negate the rest of the laws… Rather, the rest of the laws declare how to keep the Constitution.

      I’ll close with this:

      -The Torah existed in Genesis: The Faith of Abraham
      -The Torah pre-existed Creation: Before the Foundation of the World! Implications…
      -Yeshua/Jesus gave the Torah: Was Jesus on Mt. Sinai? Does it Matter?



  3. What exactly does ‘keeping Torah’ mean?

    Before the birth of Messiah (and to those who reject him today) it means seeking a right relationship with God by obeying His Laws i.e. ‘Righteousness’.
    Like the apostle Paul, a Jew and a Pharisee, men who pursued the truth found that although they obeyed God’s (good) Law to the very letter, it was rendered powerless to change the heart because all men we made subjective to the power of sin birthed through the consciousness of ‘self’. Simply by thinking lustfully makes a man guilty of breaking the Law, and breaking one Law made him guilty of breaking the whole Law. Obeying Laws cannot make a man righteous, and it certainly cannot make the heart love God!
    The only ‘thing’ that can make me ‘love the Lord thy God with all my heart, soul and strength’ is: gratitude. (Luke 7:47) – Salvation through Jesus the Christ.

    The Jews, being God’s chosen people and having the miraculous history evident unto this day, understandably remain sceptical of so-called Christians who claim identification with Israel. The distorted ‘grace’ dispensation and ‘replacement theology’ including anti-Zionism are all legitimate reasons for which is becoming an increasingly defensive attitude towards mainstream Christianity.

    However, just as ‘not all Israel are of Israel’, because they sought righteousness by works of the Law
    (Rom 9:6-11), so too are ‘not all Christians of Christ’ because they seek to do their own will rather
    than the will of the Father. (Matt 7:21-23) But there are Christians out there who identify with Israel
    in this sense:
    ‘For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the
    flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and
    not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Rom 2:28,29)

    If by ‘keeping Torah’ you mean that we should strive to be right with God by works of the Law, then no, we do not keep Torah. We only ‘keep Torah’ because we are right with God because of Christ, we can rejoice in His Law because we keep the Spirit of His Law.

    Yeshua does not speak of Torah; rather the Torah speaks of Yeshua. We do not ‘keep Torah, we ‘keep Yeshua’ AND THEREBY WE FULFILL THE LAW.

    The only question regarding obedience to the Law relates specifically to motive. Do I seek righteousness by works of the Law?, or am I righteous because of Yeshua and love God for His mercy, and give that love to others as a consequence, thereby loving and honouring God’s Law.

    Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:24,25


    1. Shalom and welcome,

      I agree with most everything you have written, except where you seem to say (if I understand you correctly) that Yeshua did away with the Law. Personally, I think Scripture affirms over and over that obedience to God’s Instructions (Torah) IS obedience to Yeshua which should be out of love. After all, those are His Commandments.

      As we show often on this blog, Christendom has left a number of commandments behind and the point of this short thought is that Judaism needs the Messiah just as Christendom needs the Torah that reveals the Messiah (else they have a false image of Messiah… one of their own making).

      I would encourage anyone who wants to understand the connections to study out the ‘Angel of the Lord’ passages…

      Many more, but those will give you more than enough fodder for a month of studies… 😉

      Shalom and blessings!


      1. Thanks for your response.

        Please understand that I do not mean that Messiah did away with the Law, He only did away with seeking Righteousness with G-d by works of the Law.


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